Rallye Racing Forum

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hello:

Here go my last rallyes purchases. Two very nice Subarus I was searching for a long time (specially the WRC):

Troféu - Subaru Impreza - Winner Monte Carlo 1995 - Carlos Sainz

Troféu - Subaru Impreza WRC - Winner Portugal 2000 - Richard Burns

I really like this last Subaru. For me it's the best looking WRC Subaru ever.
Regards:

Pedro Oliveira
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Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hello Pedro,

very nice models

i like these Subarus too!

The color of the first one is fantastic!

I´m searching after the 1999 Monte from Trofeu. It´s like yours fromm 2000.

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi Andre:

The 1999 version is not exactly the same as the 2000 despite being very similar. From the 2000 portuguese rallye, Subaru started to use the P2000 version which had some small differences. Mainly in the engine cover. The 99 version is also not very easy to find at reasonable prices. The big problem with Troféu is that they produce in small quatities when compared with other manufacturers. But, you have a very good alternative to the 99 Troféu Subaru. Auto Art also produces this model and it's really good. The finishing is better than the Troféu and the mold is at least as good - probably better.
Here go some pics of the Auto Art version:

Regards:

Pedro

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hi Pedro,

the Autoart model is a very good alternative but also hard to become. I have seen them sometimes on Ebay but a little too expensive. But i will try to get one

BTW: did you get my bank transfer?

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi Andre:

I already got in the past a lot of Auto Art Subarus. The last one I've got i sold for 20 euros which is not that bad considering we are talking about an Auto Art.
Also, the 2001 version is also much better than the equivalent from Ixo. I have it in my collection and it's quite good (the Monte Carlo version - do you have it?). Unfortunatelly for us, Auto Art doesn't make a lot of rallyecars and the ones they do, are not that easy to find. Still, I've been lucky in the past because I already had several Auto Art rallye models: Subaru Burns 99, Subaru Kremer 2000, Subaru Burns MC and Portugal 2001, Subaru Solberg Portugal 2001, Mitsubishi Evo6 - Winner NZ 1999, Mitsubishi Evo6.5 - Winner MC 2001, Corolla WRC - Safari 1999, Mitsubushi WRC Evo7 - RAC 2001 and MC 2002.
The one I'm really looking forward to get is the Xsara WRC that looks very good in pics and the 2002 and 2003 Subarus. As I usually say, I'm a patient guy, I'll wait. And I really have to wait because here in Portugal the normal price (in shops) for an Auto Art 1/43 model is something like 40 euros (many times, more).
I still haven't got the money transfer. Maybe tomorrow As soon as I do I'll let you know and, more important, I'll send the models. Don't worry I'll be as fast as possible.
Regards:

Pedro

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

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Pedro Oliveira schrieb am 30.05.2005 18:21
Hi Andre:

I already got in the past a lot of Auto Art Subarus. The last one I've got i sold for 20 euros which is not that bad considering we are talking about an Auto Art.
Also, the 2001 version is also much better than the equivalent from Ixo. I have it in my collection and it's quite good (the Monte Carlo version - do you have it?).

Yes i have this one of Burns (Autoart) and Märtin (IXO). The Autoart is very much better in detail and shape.

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Unfortunatelly for us, Auto Art doesn't make a lot of rallyecars and the ones they do, are not that easy to find. Still, I've been lucky in the past because I already had several Auto Art rallye models: Subaru Burns 99, Subaru Kremer 2000, Subaru Burns MC and Portugal 2001, Subaru Solberg Portugal 2001, Mitsubishi Evo6 - Winner NZ 1999, Mitsubishi Evo6.5 - Winner MC 2001, Corolla WRC - Safari 1999, Mitsubushi WRC Evo7 - RAC 2001 and MC 2002.
The one I'm really looking forward to get is the Xsara WRC that looks very good in pics and the 2002 and 2003 Subarus. As I usually say, I'm a patient guy, I'll wait. And I really have to wait because here in Portugal the normal price (in shops) for an Auto Art 1/43 model is something like 40 euros (many times, more).

I have the Monte 2001 version from Autoart (right in picture) and from IXO (left in picture) The models are completely different in shape.

In this case i think the Autoart model has not the right shape. What do you think. Unfortunately i could not find many pictures of that car.

IXO:

Autoart:

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi Andre:

I also have the Auto Art version in my collection and I think it's better than the Ixo in terms of shape. Still the Auto Art has one big mistake. The rear lights are wrong. It should be like the Ixo.
You will noticed another big difference on the front bumper. The Auto Art bumper is bigger. They repruduced the model like it was in the beginning of the rallye. In the first day of the rallye, when they make the presentation of the drivers and cars, usually they used the car like the Auto Art version. In the special stages they took off the last part of the bumper so it would touch the ground. This happen on gravel events (and remember it from seeing it on TV). In the Monte Carlo and other tarmac rallyes, I'm not sure but I think they kept it in some cases.
You will also noticed that the interiors on the Ixo are more detailed. For me it's one of the problems with Auto Art rallye cars. The models are great and usually better than the equivalent from Ixo, but the interiors are too simple.
I already saw some pics of the real car and, as I said, I think the shape is better on the Auto Art. I'll search for some pics.
Best regards:

Pedro Oliveira

P.S. - Great post Andre. I also have a review of 2 rallye cars from different manufacturers ready and I'll post it soon.

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hello Pedro,

sorry for my late answer.

thats good news. I thought the Autoart model were made wrong. But i think you´re right, i found some pictures in a book of mine which showed the car like the Autoart model. In the rallye itself the car was different, like the IXO. So i´m happy to have two "authentic" cars

but still strange

Do you know if the rear lights of the Autoart are still false?

I also have another comparison of two "equal" cars.
Toyota Celica Monte 1993 IXO-Trofeu. The one with the open "eyes" is the IXO.

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Andre:

Starting with the Evo6.5, I'm almost sure the rear lights are wrong. I saw a picture of the Loix car (Monte Carlo 2001) which was like the Ixo. Still I say again: for me the shape of the Auto Art is superior. It's more like the real car. I already searched for some pics but I'm having problems finding them. The pics I saw some months ago (when I get the Auto Art for my personal collection) where on www.rally-live.com. Unfortunatelly they changed the page sometime ago and now we have to pay to see the older stuff - NO WAY!!!!!. Still If I find pics of the real car I'll let you know.
Regarding the Celica, it's another great comparison. We have to remember that the Celica from Troféu was made almost 10 years ago and the Ixo has one year or something like that. I think both molds are quite good (I know very well these 2 models because I have the Ixo on my collection and I already had a couple of Troféu Celicas to sell). The big problem with the Troféu is really the finishing. You will noticed the cheap detail of the rear ligths which are decals instead of a proper piece like on the Ixo. This is something that Troféu did a lot and still does nowadays. All the Celicas from Troféu, from the early 90's version, this version and the last one (with double front lights), have this cheap detail. It's really a pity because, for instance the later Troféu (96, etc) is very good. The mold is very well done as is the rest of the model. It doesn't loose in any aspect besides this one to the Minichamps version.
The other more noticable problem in the Troféu Celica is the rearview mirrors which are connected to the body of the car. Obvisously the Ixo has a nice rearview mirrors. Another problem is the lack of windshield wippers in the Troféu. There are more problems like the rear exaust that is missing on the Troféu. The wheels are also less detailed and the tyres have no brand (Michelin). Still has I said, we need to remember we are talking about a old model which could be easily improved.
Here in Portugal there's a manufacturer that is not very known outside the country. It's called Minipartes. They only make rallye cars from the Portuguese rallye winners, and from portuguese drivers. To be more specific they don't produce models. They simply assemble them using molds from different manufactures - Vitesse/Skid, Ixo and mainly Troféu. Still don't don't just assemble the models and the correct decals. They also improve the models when possible. And this car is one of the examples, the portuguese rallye version made by Minipartes uses the Troféu base but it's a little bit improved. This situation is even more clear on the 90 Celica. The portuguese rallye version (re)made by Minipartes looks much better than the original Troféu.
Still, I really believe that they will start using the Ixo mold which is a much better base to do the model.
Regarding this question of Minipartes, tomorrow I'll post some pics of some Minipartes models so you can see what I'm talking about.
Best regards:

Pedro Oliveira:

P.S. - The Fiat 131 Abarth review is almost ready, I'm just finishing the text in portuguese and them I'll have to translate it as good as I can the english. Also I got some pictures of the real car to make it better.

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hi Pedro,

i see, you know much about models. A lot to learn for a beginner like me. You´re absolutly right about the Trofeu Celica. It is an old model and could not easily compare to the newer IXO. But i think years ago the model was quite good. The former Minichamps models from the early 90ties are also not very good in detail and poor manufatured.

I also tried to find some pictures of the Lancer Monte 2001 and failed. Some pics of the front but none from behind to see the lights.

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi Andre:

Thanks for your words. Still, I'm not any kind of expert in models. It's simply my favourite hobby. I have the big advantage over most of the other collectors, of already have had tons of models. Hundreds of models have already passed in my hands so I have the change of learning a lot about it.
Regarding the Evo6.5, I had some pics in my personal PC. It doesn't show the rear of the car but you will be able to see the front in two different configurations has I told you.
Here they go:

Best Regards:

Pedro Oliveira

ao25AC · Anmeldedatum: 28.12.2002 Beiträge: 925

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Andre schrieb am 28.05.2005 21:45
I´m searching after the 1999 Monte from Trofeu. It´s like yours fromm 2000.

I have found something, but it is not from Trofeu:

Subaru Impreza WRC, No. 5, Monte Carlo 1999
1:43 Auto Art

Only 16.00 Euro at Modelcarworld

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hey danke Andreas, den suche ich noch

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hi there,

a thank you to Andreas! I bought the Subaru for 16 Euro and one additional model

Saab V4 - Winner Rally Sweden 1972 Blomqvist/Hertz

Very nice model and also very cheap for 12.95 Euro. It is an IXO-Junior model. I do not know what is "junior" on this model...

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi there:

Ixo juniors have exactly the same detail has Altayas. Simply they come in the normal acrylic case. In these older models the difference is harder to find because these cars had less detail to reproduce. Mainly, they had less sponsors and the interiors of the cars were less complex. That's why older cars made by Altaya/ Ixo Junior are quite good and have few differences when compared with the full Ixo.
Try comparing a more recent car and you will see the diffenrence.
Regards:

Pedro

ao25AC · Anmeldedatum: 28.12.2002 Beiträge: 925

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Pedro Oliveira schrieb am 27.06.2005 13:20
Hi there:

Ixo juniors have exactly the same detail has Altayas. Simply they come in the normal acrylic case. In these older models the difference is harder to find because these cars had less detail to reproduce. Mainly, they had less sponsors and the interiors of the cars were less complex. That's why older cars made by Altaya/ Ixo Junior are quite good and have few differences when compared with the full Ixo.
Try comparing a more recent car and you will see the diffenrence.
Regards:

Pedro

Nice to know that. I have expected less details than Altaya, because 'junior' sounds like 'toy for kids' for me.

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Believe me, it's the same as Altayas. Ixo finally saw they have market to sell these less detailed models. If you compare for instance the 1995 Subaru Impreza from Altaya with the Ixo Junior version you will see it's the same. I haven't yet seen any Ixo Junior. Still, I saw some on pics over the Internet and I already talked to some guys who got some and they agree with me. It's the same as Altayas.
Regards:

Pedro

Andre · Anmeldedatum: 19.09.2002 Beiträge: 2335

Hi Pedro,

thank you for the interesting information about the IXO Juniors. I think you are right. The quality is not as good as the "real" IXOs but good enough for the price. Do IXO sell this models also as "IXO" versions?

And another question. Do the Altaya company belongs to IXO or is it only a reseller of IXO products?

Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi Andre:

Regarding the ixo Juniors, I read on some place that Ixo will not produce this models in "full" Ixo. Obvisously they mean only that particular car of that rallye. Surely they will use the mold for many different models. I don't know if this is true but I read it somewhere and I think it is like this.
Regarding Altaya, as far as I know it doesn't belong to Ixo. Altaya is a wll known multi-national. It's Altaya or Planeta de Agostini. In my opinion, this was a good way that Ixo found to sell tons of models and make some more profit. And believe me, they sell vey well. Specially the racing cars collections (rallye and Le Mans).
Just one curiosity: last month I met the guy who makes the decals for Ixo, Altaya, Troféu. A french guy living in Portugal for some years now. The world is really small

Regards:

Pedro

Anonymous · Gast

Hello Pedro,

do you think it is possible to get some Decal sheets from him? Only for private use?
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Pedro Oliveira · Anmeldedatum: 27.05.2005 Beiträge: 67

Hi:

I tried to contact him with no luck until now. If I get to talk with him I'll let you know.
Regards:

Pedro